Mexico 1 – Honduras 0: A Un Paso!

Great victory for Mexico, but we needed better finishing on a few of our opportunities. Sadly, Miguel Sabah missed two easy headers in front of the net. It would have been nice to beat the catrachos by a bigger margin, but ultimately the 3 points are what mattered most.

Two games to go before we are in South Africa. My prediction for the final standings on October 14 are:

Mexico (wins next two) = 21 pts
Honduras (wins next two) = 19 pts
Costa Rica (wins next two) = 18 pts
USA (loses next two) = 16 pts

Mexico campeon!

Posted from  United States

@Mex

For being so cocky, where is the Mexican international hardware? What has Mexico ever done on the international stage to warrant this arrogance? So for you to be so arrogant it must be for some inferiority complex you have vs the USA.

You best hope that the USA becomes world class in the next 30 yrs b.c we will drag your arses with us. AND the same goes for you. I always hope the Mexican team does well because it is the only real competition the US has that counts for any legitimate tournaments, namely qualifications and qualifications alone. Who cares about Concacaf garbage? When the US won the Gold Cup, I never cheered about it b.c it means nothing. The World Cup and the Copa America are the only tournaments that the USA and Mexico should be gunning for.

But it does take people like you to make me question my desire for Mexico to succeed. Mexico will not get better unless the USA gets better and the USA will not get better unless Mexico gets better. We are in this together whether you like it or not because our region is garbage!!!

You wan’t to bet the US finishes in the top 2? Frickin inferiority complex…unbelievable!!!

GLTTMNT

“For being so cocky, where is the Mexican international hardware? What has Mexico ever done on the international stage to warrant this arrogance?”

The Confederations Cup. Mexico has actually won one and the very idea that the United States came close to winning one got American fans all a flutter with glee. They’ve also consistently performed fairly well in the World Cup (knockout stages every time since 1994, more than the USA can say). And has gotten second or third in the Copa America multiple times (I forget, how did the USA do last time?).

Yes, Mexico hasn’t won any major trophies yet, so perhaps fans are a little more cocky than they should be (after all, USA and Mexico are just sharks in a fishbowl). But American fans have to accept that they don’t have the history (as in accomplishments) that Mexico has in football.

It takes people like you to make me stop cheering for the US in international competitions, because honestly the USMNT has come to have some of the worst fans in the Americas. They might be dedicated (because, after all, futbol is a niche sport in the US), but they have an overinflated sense of importance: you are not that much better than the Central American teams and are about evenly matched with Mexico. Your future depends on the quality of CONCACAF (news flash, CONCACAF has 30+ bad teams because most other countries don’t care about soccer like we do) top 6 as much as in Mexico. And if you’d bothered to watch any games outside of the “Nats” come qualification, you’d know that the CONCACAF runners up are improving faster than the United States and Mexico.

So please, get your head out of your

Considering I have lived abroad for almost 3 years y yo puedo hablar bien en espanol y mi novia es de Brasil, yo vi various partidos por todo el mundo en varias ligas, idiota…

Mexico gano la copa de confederationes….enhorabuena!!! Pero es una copa q no significa nada…nada!

Yo dije en mi post orignal q los unicos dos tourneos q significa algo son LA COPA y La Copa America. Mexico ni Los Estados no los han ganado…

Mexico no hizo tanto en la copa del mundo…un poco mejor q Los Estados, pero vamos a analizar a un nivel microscopico??? Cuando yo veo aficionados de Mexico diciendo q Los Estados va a califcar en el cuarto lugar…es la mas gran estupidez q yo vi…y ustedes no dicen nada…el aficionado de Los Estados solo importa del nuestro equipo. En casi un ano leyendo y escribiendo aqui en este site, casi nunca vi algo contra Mexico. Pero cuando se trata al aficionda Mexicano…hay boludeses por todos los lados y por q? Por q Mexico gano un copa de confederaciones y salio de su grupo unos veces en el mundial? INCREIBLE!!! La Arrogancia…Va a Brasil, Argentina, Espana, Alemania, Inglatera, Francia, Italia, Hollanda…

Ustedes como nosotros no han hecho nada contra estes paises LA COPA y La Copa de America CONSITENTEMENTE!!!!! Intiendes la ultima palabra alla???

Vos no puedes hablar de una manera tranquilo…y los aficionados de Los Estados son debiles…Como SON los peores? Q IDIOTA ERES TU??? No estamos pillando en una copa y tirandola a los jugadores en la Azteca…Me encantaria tener aficionados asi en Los Estados…Seria increible por q finalmente tendriamos aficionados q serian fanaticos!!!

Si no quieres tener una conversacion de verdad…por q…NEWS FLASHH??? Until Mexico wins something…talk to me and be cocky…I’ll be right there with you cheering. When the USA wins something of substance in the future…you will be the ahole against us…rot in hell!!!

Oh yeah, yo soy el gringero…DEUTSCHE!!!

GLTTMNT

Dude stop crying usa got there asses handed to them deal with it. A loss is a loss kid geesh, you are a sore loser.

wait, what? where is he “crying” about a us loss? can you read spanish? he talked about the fans at azteca, but only says (i think sincerely) that he sort of envies their behavior bc of the passion it shows for the team. that’s the only place he even mentions the US losing to mexico. what are you on about? are you so stuck on beating us that you can’t respond to anything but comments about that game?

i dunno…it seems to me that earlier this summer the US had a very encouraging month or so after some frustrating qualifying results before that. US fans were excited about this, and wrote excited things about this on the internet. mexican fans got incensed about that for some reason (even though they didn’t go out of their way to say “and mexico won’t qualify”), and criticized the US fans for being arrogant (and, because we’re talking about the stupid gringos, there was a lot of “you don’t know anything about the sport!!” thrown in for good measure. bc that’s what fans of every other country say to american fans. no matter what. all the time. and almost always while calling them arrogant.).

now, mexico had been struggling MIGHTILY in qualifying, had a crisis, fired the coach, went back to an old coach (usually a desperation move), and has had a month or so of very encouraging results. like US fans (the ones they mocked), mexican fans are getting perhaps a bit carried away with their recent run of results. i get where y’all are coming from, but…well, it DOES seem a bit hypocritical.

MEX5: i love your website. you’d probably love the tattoo i have on my arm commemorating kljestan’s hat trick against sweden last year. that win was SO AWESOME and MEANT SO MUCH!! some people say the fact that 5 swedes got their full natl team debut, and sweden played without many of their principle leaders, takes away from the value of the win, but not me! i cling to that W every day. i watch highlights every morning. my friends who support other national teams say that my weird obsession with this one game actually makes my team small and insignificant, but i’m sure you’ll agree that’s not true. every game is as important as i decide that it is, even if the other team clearly doesn’t care at all. USA3-SWE2!!! FOREVER!!!! GO SACHA!!!!!!! USA USA USA!!!

Unbelievable… Tranquilo.

Good points. Mexican and American fans might puff up a bit more than is necessary and will hail their team’s glories with more fervor than might be truly justifiable on merit.

However, I do want to ask you to clarify a couple of points. What does consistency imply to you? Your benchmark for performance for a team is to have performed well in the Copa America and the World Cup, correct? On this measure I would be rash enough to declare that Mexico is performing consistently at a high level. Why? Well, lets look at piecemeal.

Mexico was invited to participate in the Copa America only as recently as 1993. At this tournament they placed second, losing to Argentina 2-1. Including that first performance, Mexico have participated in 7 Copa America’s, placing in the top 3 on 5 occassions. Pretty good numbers. Certainly haven’t won it yet, but still a very respectable outcome. I would even say pretty consistent.

Since the late 1980’s, Mexico saw a true investment in its soccer infrastructure. Granted they had some large stadiums that were products of the 1968 Olymic Games and 1970 World Cup (none were built expressely for 1986), but the true investment in the structure of the leagues, etc, took place during this time and through the 90’s.

Since 1994, Mexico has survived the group stage at every WC. Granted, its only been 4, but thats more than Spain, England, Holland or France can say. And those round of 16 games were some of the best of each tournament, and while the teams they played were favorites for the match (with the exception of the US in ‘02), they were games that are remembered for the skill Mexico showed. Take the Stoichkov goal in ‘94 and the penalty round that followed it. Or the Germany game. And can you forget Maxi’s goal? Good games. Good performances. Pretty consistent. Losses, but they are there. Maybe this next group of players will finally break the “don’t qualify to the next round unless they play in Mexico” curse.

And its a mighty measuring stick to hold Mexico and the US (two fledgling teams who have really just recently, as in the last 20 years, gotten serious about challenging those at the top) when you require them to be Brazils, Argentinas or Italys.

It is not far fetched for a Mexico fan to believe that their team is a damn good team. Following your criteria, they are consistent in the Copa America and the World Cup. Not in the top 8 in the world, but I think they are nudging ever closer even though they will never be a Brazil or an Italy. At least I won’t live to see it since World Cups are every 4 years. But remember, Spain only recently cracked that group. No one in their right mind would have placed them as a favorite given their performance over the last 70 years. Or the perennial runners up Holland. And England? Don’t make me laugh. As a consolation to them, Brits will always think that England are rubbish so they’re playing to the lowest common denominator.

All in all, I disagree. Mexico, in both the Copa America and the WC has been consistent. They have not won either competition, but have come close to claiming the first numerous times (well, make that 5 out of 7). Given that only 7 teams have won the world cup, I think solid performances on a consistent level with them reaching, say, 5th or 6th spot, maybe even a 4th, in 3 out of the next 6 WC’s, would be enough to cement Mexico (or the US) as teams that people respect and want to avoid in the draws. Much like an Inter, Lyon, or Werder Bremen. Good enough to keep us happy and grant us they right to puff out our feathers.

Does the US match these “bragging” rights? No. Not even close. Especially not if your taking into account WC’s or Copa Americas (3rd place in ‘38 does not count). But will they get there? They have the potential and the talent. But let us brag. They’ve earned it. Consistently. Which is what makes beating Mexico on official games all the more palatable. Don’t you prefer your #1 rival to have delusions of grandeur and maybe even approach them? Both teams will benefit; and the 5-0s and the 2-0s will be the sweeter for it.

And the harder for the opposite fan to swallow.

He is commenting the guy that says he is cocky mex5-0us thats where he cries because of the loss and I know spanish you dumb ass I speak it and know more than you. And I didnt even read the rest of the crap you wrote and besides we have beaten top teams way more than the us. lmao let me know when you beat brasil kid cause right now you never will unlike mexico they beat them 3 times so. Oh and wtf??? are you guys doing here this is mexico’s blog page, go cry off to the us page and talk shit there not here enough said kid.

oh, aztec817. you didn’t read but i wrote, but you know it’s crap. you don’t know me or anything about me, but you know you know more spanish than me. and then you call me names. the presumed superiority and flippant dismissal of my thoughts make you very typical of mexico fans i’ve met and talked to! i’m not sure it’s worth trying to respond to you (are you even still reading this?), so i’ll just ask you to try to keep it civil, and assure you that the condescension does not make you seem as smart as you probably think it does.

oh, and the us fans here are probably here bc MEX5 came to our board to tell us he didn’t think we’d qualify. for whatever reason, the authors of this blog and the commenters often talk about our team, even when mexico just played someone else like honduras, and it’s usually negative. i’m not sure why you’re so fixated, but we seem to be important to you. so we often stop by and share our thoughts.

Then I’m sorry for being rude and I take back everything I said about the us team and fans. And next time I’ll check who started the whole argument.

This is getting absurd.

I am simply making a prediction of the final standings based on what I feel will be the results of the last two WCQ matches. This is entirely based on my personal views and opinions of the top 4 teams in the hexagonal. Obviously, this includes USA too. I am predicting that Mexico, Honduras, and Costa Rica will win their next two matches.

You are entitled to disagree with this prediction.

At what point did it become taboo on this site to predict the outcome of matches and standings?

If Argentina beats Brazil(or vice versa) it doesn’t matter who was on the field. The point is that Argentina beat Brazil,

Posted from  United States

Im actually starting to enjoy watching mexico play. The Team has really improven over the past few months. The game vs. honduras wasnt so great but we still won. We lost alot of chances to score.

Lets wish the best of luck for our team in the mundial!

South Africa here we come!!!

every one help support out team. =]

Posted from  United States

lol, Unbelievable, how about you calm down?

First, the fact that you can speak the third most common language in the world, or the fact that you have a Brazilian girlfriend, or that you’ve lived abroad isn’t impressing anyone. I don’t even understand why you brought all that up.

Second, Mike has pretty well elaborated on what I said about the Mexican national team. I am not a Mexico fan, nor Mexican, but I am able to admire and appreciate what their history as a football team. They have not actually won any of these tournaments, but they have competed rather well (especially compared to the USA) in them. Not actually winning tournaments yet doesn’t negate those accomplishments (see: Netherlands national team).

Perhaps I went a little overboard with “worst fans” but others better understood my meaning: many USMNT fans have acquired that “arrogant” streak that Mexican fans were once (more) infamous for.

Aside from that, the frothing at the mouth is unbecoming. And so are the curses and insults. Grow up.

Does anyone know what formation Mexico used during the match.

@Mike…Well said and stated. That is all I ask for. That is an argument and a persuasive one that is based on fact. Based on pure results, which must be historical in nature b.c no one can predict the future, Mexico has done better than the US on the international stage. It doesn’t pain me to say that but the US has gotten much better in the past years. I expect more from the US b.c I have seen the game outside of the US and the vast majority of coaches in the US are terrible. They don’t understand the game, which I hope will change in the coming years. Mexico has a distinct advantage imo from a coaching perspective and the understanding of technical skill at a younger age.

Yes, the US youth system is good, but the players fit a specific mold and then it is more pure athleticism that has allowed the youth teams to do ok. Again, Yes, Adu and Altidore…but Adu needs to do something…he definitely matured early. Once they get to the next level everyone is athletic, but the technical skill isn’t always there.

The way Mexico is playing now is truer to past form and I would never say Mexico will never be a Brasil or Italy. IMO they are 2 or 3 players away and Mexico has sufficient numbers in terms of population to get there.

@Everyone Else: just making a statement and no one can truly think I care what they think about me on an internet blog…cmon…

Thanks, Mike, for making the factual argument…Outside of Concacaf, as long as Mexico isn’t playing the US I root for them…take that for what it is worth. I don’t expect any Mexican fan, or any other fan from the Concacaf to do the same…that is my view of world football…QED

Good Luck to All

“just making a statement and no one can truly think I care what they think about me on an internet blog…cmon…”

lol, translation: I am talking out of my ass, but don’t call me out on it with facts.

@stoopa… Out of the entire post below all you can do is take one sentence out of an otherwise 100% positive post for the Mexican national team…Unbelievable!!!…continue on my inferiority complexed “friend”…lol

@Mike…Well said and stated. That is all I ask for. That is an argument and a persuasive one that is based on fact. Based on pure results, which must be historical in nature b.c no one can predict the future, Mexico has done better than the US on the international stage. It doesn’t pain me to say that but the US has gotten much better in the past years. I expect more from the US b.c I have seen the game outside of the US and the vast majority of coaches in the US are terrible. They don’t understand the game, which I hope will change in the coming years. Mexico has a distinct advantage imo from a coaching perspective and the understanding of technical skill at a younger age.
Yes, the US youth system is good, but the players fit a specific mold and then it is more pure athleticism that has allowed the youth teams to do ok. Again, Yes, Adu and Altidore…but Adu needs to do something…he definitely matured early. Once they get to the next level everyone is athletic, but the technical skill isn’t always there.
The way Mexico is playing now is truer to past form and I would never say Mexico will never be a Brasil or Italy. IMO they are 2 or 3 players away and Mexico has sufficient numbers in terms of population to get there.
@Everyone Else: just making a statement and no one can truly think I care what they think about me on an internet blog…cmon…
Thanks, Mike, for making the factual argument…Outside of Concacaf, as long as Mexico isn’t playing the US I root for them…take that for what it is worth. I don’t expect any Mexican fan, or any other fan from the Concacaf to do the same…that is my view of world football…QED
Good Luck to All

I don’t think you understand. I’m not Mexican, nor a Mexican national team fan. Others had the same arguments against you, they just treated a person that was being a jerk, in a jerk way. Come here like an a-hole and expect to be answered that way. A select few (Mike) will make the effort to explain it to you like a third-grader.

Let it be a lesson.

Wow thats great to have such a great rivalry between Mexico and USA. Of course being Mexican I’d rather anybody win the any cup before the USA. History wise, no contest Mexico dominates. Recently more even matches definately. The USA is catching up but they need to change the arrogant mindset that the americans have towards pretty much everything including sports and soccer/futbol. They think that they are the best at everything. You know what they are good at most sports. Baseball, basketball, american football… You know what you can go ahead and keep all of those “sports”. When it comes to soccer/futbol the USA is not a football nation. Mexico, argentina, chile peru brazil, spain, portugal, england, holand, nigeria, cameroon, etc. the list is long and great! A country doesnt have to be a World cup contender to be a great footballing nation! Central american countries, though small, still have it because they live it and love it. I remember I was watchin a game a while back and “Gooch” was shadowing Jared Borghetti. It was all over the USA highlights and praised and all he did was bully him. Threw him around and hit. Thats not soccer/futbol. USA you can keep all those other sports but your far from a footballing nation!

Posted from  Taiwan

Congratulations for a great win! I enjoyed watching the game and it was really a good one!

Unbelievable’s train of thought is so flawed. Notice how 1st post was talking about USA being in 4th place (which WILL happen by the way) at the end of the qual. round. and Unbel started with the namecalling and rambling. The irony of you calling us “arrogant.” Just because you decide to run your mouth without knowing the facts, doesnt mean we cant boast about the Mexican National Team.

Even though Mike already said it, let me remind you.

Mexico has qual’d in the last 5 of the last 6 WC (and didnt qual once because of they were disqualified because of the National team in the Olympics), out of ALL those 5 times, they have made it to the Round of 16, and once to the Quarter-Finals.

We’ve been at least in ONE group of death (might have been one more but im 21 and dont remember most WC pre ‘98).

We won the U17 world cup, which shows promise of great futres in the near future, one of which is Giovanni Dos Santos….I’m waiting for his brother Jonathan, because he’s got potential to be the better Dos Santos IMHO.

I’m confident that Mexico will make it past R16 this WC go around if they continue with the streak they are on now.

But you tell me, what has US done to condemn our confidence on our brilliant team? What if i say USA will finish 4th by the end of the round. What proof can you give me that they wont? Costa Rica/Honduras arent as easy as we make it look to be. GTFO if you’re trying to bring down my mexican brothers. If it seems “cocky” to you, its because youre not educated enough in Mexico’s history to figure it out that its not cockiness, it’s called confidence.

and on a seperate note, i totally agree with the guy that said you can only root for either usa/mex if you live/are of both nationalities.

I’m american by law, but mexican by blood, and growing up, my family always rooted for mexico, so that’s where my heart will always be

Posted from  United States

It doesnt matter where your born or raised si tu sangre es mexicano eres puro mexicano! Que viva mexico por siempre. Y que se mueren los feos!

Posted from  Taiwan