Holland 2-1 Mexico

2 wide open goals in the box. One on a corner one off a cross. Nobody within 3 ft of the Dutch players on both goals.

Lavolpe emptied the bench too soon. Sinha, Chiquis look lost and the back line is now disorganized as a result trying to compensate.

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1:1 at 52:00

Anyone listening/watching care to give us details?

Like BBSC said…2:1, another at 57:00

Maybe it is better some of you cannot see it on television.

Holland has missed two open netters. Humongous misses, swiss cheese defense. One was a 50 yard run where Osorio got demolished.

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Sounds like Mexico’s OK with their starting line-up, but watch out for the subs…

Final whistle:

Overall: Negatives
-the worst second half I can remember since Brazil pounded them in the Copa America in ‘02

-Worst game I have seen from Osorio and Salcido

-marking in the box was non-existant and that is real scary for a national team 10 days from the WC

-Sinha was tossed like rag doll. He does not look right. He was a questional choice anyhow but his health is not right, they ask FIFA for a sub. The guy is not healthy.

-Only mustered a couple shots the whole game

-Suarez got in the game but they still looked out of sorts in the back line.

Positives:
-first half
-Chiquis had our only shot!
-Borgetti is starting to heat up

Luckily, this was friendly, good point Stuart, there is a drop off with subs.

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what is the final score in Mex. v. Hol

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2-1 Holland over Mexico.

Very flattering scoreline.

Could have very easily been 5-1.

Babel missed completely wide open netters, easiest shots he will ever get. De Clerq missed a couple and Oswaldo saved that free kick that was going in.

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2-1 Final

It’s hard to score goals when you only have 2 shots on goal.

Cabrito looked good today.

I miss Carmona.

Offensive defficiencies are alarming, but I am not jumping off the building yet.

I am starting to really appreciate Oswaldo Sanchez.

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Mexico has not had very clean and quality passing, in this game and the France game. Holland was passing with ease.

Where was Guardado?

Osorio did blow that shoulda-been goal…however, he did show that he does have pretty good speed to catch up with Kuyt….

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Negatives:
we all know that mexico usually has many shots on goal, but can’t ever score. this year, the complete opposite. El-tri had 2 shots. thats it. Fonseca was no where to be found. borguetti can’t control the ball, and franco is always on his feet. take some shots from Mid. rememner Torrado in korea. great goal. If they take more shots from the Mid, The opposing team will have to be more careful about leaving the mid open. therefore leaving more opportunities to Lob to the forwards or to go to wings.

defense looked bad when the subs came in. I like El emperador but if ther is a case where Rafa is not there, what will they do.

positives.
offense..
great corner executions. I like what La volve has done in all of his set plays. opposing teams will fear EL tri, in the corners and will think twice about clearing the ball. Fonseca, Borguetti, franco, is a good starting line up. they play well together. I like Fonseca in the Mid. It looked like he was more a defender though.

Defense.
Rafa marquez. Wow. to all who said that he does not play well outside of barcelona, Well there you go. He is Our leader. He was all over everybody, placing the ball and making the right decisions. like i said erlier, what we saw the first hlaf from the defense, we will see during the WC. Oswaldo sanchez did an amazing job today, we are going to benefit from his smart agressive thinking.

overall i feel good. I think la volpe knows what he is doing. if these two team play in the second round. I see them going to penalties. that is really scary considering the history of mexico during PENALES. but, we have great shooters this year and a great goalie.

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I think Guardado could have came in for a few minutes, we know he can play, I was really disapointed at the lack of attack, eventhough when we did they were good opportunities, there were way too limited, Garcia should have scored that gol on the pass from cabrito, I hope they can come up with some chemistry on the 11th cause today it just wasn’t there.

Hats off to Laolpe for the set play on the corner, on the second half Marquez had another chance that was close too.

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Good points. Remember, Holland played the B-lineup all game.

Van Nistelroy, Van Persie, Robben and Van Brockhorst were not on the field together.

Overall, the lack of offense in the Venezuela, France and Holland game might be something to worry about but then again it might not.

3 shots in 2 games is not good.

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Of course we’re going to have problems with the subs… when Lavolpe decides to change the whole team!

Well, we still have time to make adjustments… hopefully Latorpe will find a way to create scoring chances, seeing that we only had one in the whole game… (Borgetti’s goal doesn’t count…)

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yeah, I’m with big-baller, kinda scarey going into the tournament with only 10 days left. Holland played with its B line-up!
I refuse to take anything away from the Holland team, they had a superior in nearly all facets of the game. The passed efficiently in circle around Mexico, they won the ball the majority of the times and dominated it. They had possesion of the ball far longer and seemed to take it away from Mexico with ease. But that’s because they were always in the right places at the right time. On top of that, they seemed to have scored at ease, both within, what, a five minute period?
Perhaps it may have been because Lavolpe subbed in too many players at one time, not something likely seen during the tourney. Still….
The offense is worrying. Perhaps they are holding back but I am highly skeptical of that theory.
However, all that aside, the Netherlands have a damn fine team and I have no doubt they’ll win their group. Yep, you heard it, they’ll beat argentina and i look to them to advance well in the Tournament.
I still have faith in Mexico.. but my confidence is slipping.

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OK, ok it was a rough day, defense sucked, No scores, Holland’s B team .. Too much downtime.

Are you a Mexico Fan? then take a break from a rough day a laugh a little..

Soccer Bloopers..
here ya go guys..

http://videos.worldcupwatcher.com/?p=20

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la volpe is a complete idiot he should not put in subs they pretty much suck the starting line up was better but this is a friendly and i guess he doesnt take it as seriously as US FANS also Guardado needs to be in there

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Again people we played Holland in Netherlands!!! even if they were the “B” team they were playing at home.The second half was really bad we’re lucky they didn’t score 2 or 3 more goals.
The first half was okay and at least they score a goal but I’m starting to get worried about Guille I don’t see him hustling and I’m not sure if I would start him at least Bravo runs and you can see he sweats his ass of on the field,Kikin was decent.
Yeah Zihna doesn’t look right I rather have Ramoncito or Cabrito as our creative midfileder,I don’t know if he is injured but yesterday he was awful if Lavolpe is trusting this guy to be the one tha connects with the strikers we’re in trouble.Why did Chiquis play and Guardado didn’t?

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Everybody is on the same page here with the analysis. Let’s not jump off the sinking ship just yet but we’re taking on water like mofo.

Overall, in all of the friendlies going back to the Venezuela game they have played bad, with some sprinkled in good moments.

They have to turn it around completely and hopefully that honor and pride will carry them a ways.

As everybody already pointed out, the complete lack of offense is alarming.

Guille: not looking good
Cabrito: work in progress
Sinha: looks horrible, bad
Borgetti: warming up
Kikin: workmanlike effort
Bravo: workmanlike effort
Guardado: secret weapon
Castro: where’s the crosses
Ramoncito: dissapearing act

They need to ask permission from FIFA to dump Sinha because that guy has to be hurt. Nobody is that bad and slow.

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For all of those of you chicken littles out there, someone finally puts things into perspective, an ex- national team manager nonetheless, Manuel Lapuente. Hope you can read Spanish.

“Tras haber sido agredido en días pasados por el argentino Ricardo Antonio Lavolpe, Manuel Lapuente por fin apareció y decidió responderle al estratega de la selección mexicana.
El director deportivo del América y ex entrenador de la selección nacional atendió vía telefónica el llamado de OVACIONES para dar sus puntos de vista sobre varios tópicos, en especial sobre el actual tricolor y los ataques verbales de Lavolpe.
Así, que platicamos muy a gusto con Lapuente:
-Manuel, gracias por atender la llamada, seguramente ya estás enterado sobre todo lo que ha sucedido alrededor del Tri allá en Alemania tras las polémicas declaraciones de Ricardo Antonio Lavolpe hacia sus jugadores, en especial contra Francisco “Kikín” Fonseca.
-¿Crees que la crisis por la que atraviesa la selección nacional dentro y fuera de la cancha es por la falta de un jugador líder?, en su tiempo estaban un Aspe, Peláez, Hermosillo, Campos… etc.
“No necesariamente, en la actual selección hay jugadores con mucho carácter, ahí están Borgetti, Castro y el mismo Campos que mencionas está en el cuerpo técnico. Además, no estamos seguros si la selección está en crisis. El verdadero examen se verá en el mundial, los partidos de preparación son eso, una prueba”.
-Los chicos de la sub-17 no llegarán a destacar, ¿no tiene valor lo logrado por Jesús Ramírez?
“Lo que lograron estos muchachos es grandioso; si quieres que te diga algo, Lavolpe sí le tiene envidia a Chucho, porque esa selección no es ‘suya’ (y pon entrecomillado la palabra ‘suya’) que no le pasó lo que a la olímpica. El hecho de que estos muchachos cuajen depende de darles las oportunidades correctas. Por ejemplo, yo me hubiera llevado a Giovanni a este mundial, es más a mí me encantaría tenerlo en el América y te aseguro que estaría jugando regularmente, también, lo de Vela en el Celta siento que no es lo mejor para él en estos momentos. Pero en realidad, no sabemos. Lo que sí sé es que estos muchachos sí son y se han ganado a pulso ser llamados ‘los mejores jugadores de su categoría en el mundo del 2004’”.
“Y sobre Chucho Ramírez, no sé muy bien si los entrenó de manera diferente de otras selecciones juveniles, pero lo que sí sé es que en esa categoría y en todas lo más difícil es escoger correctamente y Chucho lo hizo mejor que nadie”.
-¿Me puedes dar el significado de la envidia? Te pregunto esto porque el técnico verde ha dicho en muchas ocasiones que tú eres un envidioso, ya que no quieres cooperar con él. Porque, según él, no te gustaría que te superara el resultado de Francia 98. ¿Eso es cierto?
“Sí tengo envidia, pero envidia de la buena. Cualquier técnico quisiera estar en un mundial, yo lo disfruté muchísimo. En una competencia como ésta eres privilegiado en dirigir a un grupo de profesionales que representan a todo un país, estoy seguro que Miguel (Mejía Barón) también tiene envidia y todos. Pero lo que más deseo es que México llegue al mejor lugar de su historia en un mundial”.
-Aparte del gol, ¿qué le ha faltado a la selección mexicana luego de sus dos partidos amistosos frente a Francia y Holanda?
“A mí me gustó el partido contra Francia y la solidez de Claudio con Márquez, quizás la función de Márquez no me quedó tan clara en este partido contra Holanda, aunque puede ser una prueba que está haciendo Lavolpe, te repito estos ensayos son para eso para probar”.
“Sobre la falta de gol, pues esperemos que mejoren, lo que no se puede negar es que se está trabajando, por que el gol de Borgetti es un remate extraordinario con una gran coordinación, estas jugadas no salen así como así, hay que trabajarlas mucho”.
-Ahora que hemos visto jugar a Irán y Angola (rivales del Tri) ¿qué destino crees que le espere a México? ¿Logrará pasar a la siguiente ronda del Mundial?
“Ningún partido es fácil, pero creo que son pruebas más difíciles enfrentarse a Francia y Holanda en sus estadios que enfrentarse a Bosnia, hay que estar al pendiente pero no creo que estén asustados en la concentración mexicana. Yo creo que si los nuestros hacen lo que saben hacer deben vencer a Irán y Angola para llegar calificados al partido contra Portugal”.
-¿Te unirías a la petición de Jorge Vergara de remover en estos momentos al actual técnico por sus desplantes esquizofrénicos?
“En estos momentos, ¡claro que no! El único que sabe cómo está la selección es Lavolpe y ni siquiera sus desplantes, reclamos, insultos, o lo que sea, deben de desviar nuestra ilusión de ver a la selección mexicana triunfar. Hay momentos para opinar y momentos para disfrutar, esta es una fiesta y sigue siendo un juego. Yo lo quiero disfrutar, es el momento de que todos lo disfrutemos. Y le deseo a Lavolpe que triunfe y que disfrute intensamente cada momento”.
-¿Qué corregirías en la selección, a unos días de que inicie el Mundial?
“Lo más importante ahora es que el equipo esté unido, creo que el grupo es accesible, se puede y se debe calificar, por eso estamos de cabeza de serie y entonces esperar al que venga en la siguiente ronda y hacer historia”.”

The rest of the article can be found here:

http://www.ovaciones.com/deportivo/notas/futnac13.html

Again… if you guys think the lineups against Netherlands and France are it, you must be kidding. All 4 strikers/forwards in at the same time? 6 defenders in at the sime time? I think this is just a way for Lavolpe to keep things hidden.

Regarding Guardado, I think we are keeping him under wraps and he is going to explode once the competition starts.

I honestly think we are going to be OK. I have seen enough friendlies previous to world cups to know better.

Something to keep in mind: the only time we won all of our friendlies previous to a world cup,we were dead last in the competition (Argentina ‘78)

Rene: does this mean your Lavolpe’s # 1 fan still or does it mean you have soured on him a little?

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Thx for the article Rene!! I think your right there really is no need to panic.I remember 98 when we lost all the friendlies had to play against Netherlands and Belgium and our team came out of the “ashes”.
This are only friendlies and I’m sure Lavople isn’t gonna show all our weapons.I also agree with Rene that Guardado is Lavolpe’s hidden card I see him pulling a 98 Cabrito.
By the way I see many of you post from the U.S where you guys at? I’m in Neworktitlan how bout the rest of you?

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Neworktitlan? Sounds like a city out of Romania, no insult intended. New Orleans here.
Anyway, thanks for the Rene, I think you’re right.

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I’m a fan of LaVolpe as a tactician. He can read games better than 80% of the coaches in mexico and prepare his teams for different scenarios.

As a person, I think he is an immature jerk, but if the players like him and he does a good job, I can live with that.

Another manager talking about LaVolpe (Carlos Reinoso):

“LAVOLPE, FONSECA Y EL PESEBRE
“LaVolpe dijo muchas verdades, y las verdades duelen. En el draft vi mucha gente que no tiene la menor idea del futbol y lo peor es que manejan empresas importantes, equipos fuertes. Y en la Federación Mexicana de Futbol, en este mismo momento, hay gente de mucho valor pero hay miles que están por trabajo, dinero, por nombre. Pese a que habemos muchos viejos que amamos el futbol mexicano, que por lo menos jugamos en el llano”, respondió.
- ¿Son un peligro para el futbol mexicano?
“No somos un peligro para nadie, ni para la selección, Federación o los equipos mexicanos, tanto él como yo, somos unos afiliados a la Femexfut y me pongo feliz cuando al balompié nacional le va bien, por eso te digo que no podemos estar pateando contra la casa, en México nos ha ido muy bien y debemos defender eso.
“Todos conocemos a Ricardo, su forma de ser, y todo lo que hace. Tenemos que respetar al futbol mexicano, y más la Sub-17, campeones del mundo. Esa es la naturaleza del futbol y será así por siempre”
- ¿Cuáles son tus procedimientos en el vestidor?
“Verlas como cosas del futbol. Es la misma naturaleza del deporte. Yo me agarré a golpes con Miguel Zelada, siendo su técnico y ahora somos los mejores amigos, esto es como en el barrio, el que no entienda de que en los vestidores puedan surgir problemas, no entiende de futbol, ahí es donde se debe tener tacto y eso fue lo que la faltó a Ricardo, pero el mismo Lavolpe ha apoyado muchísimo a ‘Kikín’, lo llevó a la selección, él lo hizo figura, siendo un gran profesional, mejor persona, con un ángel increíble.
“Soy de carácter fuerte, cuando tengo un problema con algún jugador, voy y lo busco en el vestidor, es cosa de hombres, los vestidores son para los hombres, no para los programas de chismes y todas esas cosas. Así es el futbol que yo conozco, las cosas del vestidor se quedan en el vestidor y eso es lo que aplicó, y es lo que me ha funcionado”.
- Entonces ¿apoyas las palabras de Ricardo?
“Hay gente que no sabe nada de futbol, que no digo que sean profesionales, sino que hayan jugado en el barrio, que por lo menos tengan nociones, pero eso no pasa, hay mucha gente que comenta, narra y escribe de futbol que son malísimos, no tienen la menor idea de lo que hacen, por eso lo que dice Ricardo es verdad, aunque no todos sean iguales, y eso es lo que le pasa a Ricardo, que mete a todos en la misma bolsa.”

Again… from Ovaciones.

http://www.ovaciones.com/deportivo/notas/futnac5.html

I don’t know… maybe it is the fact that I’m a Human Resources Manager that I don’t see things like that thing with Kikin being such a big deal. In any successful group you need all sorts of personalities. Usually someone with the over-inflated ego like LaVolpe is great for a team, because he is so afraid of losing and not trascending that he forces those within the group to try extra hard too.

I agree that we can’t jump off the building quite yet. The real competition doesn’t begin until next week…then we’ll see how far this team can go.
By the way…I am located in Boston. Any paisano/as live near here?

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